We have an in studio guest is -- -- UB law professor his specialty is immigration and as part of our focus this morning on news radio 930 WBM. Professor osu welcome thank you for coming in and I'm happy to be here. Washington is getting virtually nowhere on immigration reform the president and intervening now saying that if the Republicans will house. Won't help him. On immigration reform he will do it on his -- Now. The liability involved -- who is to blame for all of this who was likely to pay the price for this have something doesn't get done. You know a lot of people. No I think it's I think it's a lot of people and I think in some ways the whole country's on the line and we have a situation it's an emergency not only with respect to what's happening at the border right now. But with respect to the millions of undocumented immigrants in the country and their children. So I think that there is a solution. That there is room for negotiation I think every -- kicking the ball down the road. You read the situation is happening right now -- southern -- I think it's really easy to look at what's happening the southern border is sort of connected you do broader immigration reform debate I think that's our inclination elected thinking you know internally. From our perspective but the truth is we have to consider that ought to pull factors and push factors that's actually happening. The fact that these kids are leaving a country getting sent unaccompanied. There are situations happening in northern and Central America that we're not really looking enough into -- that are pushing these kids into our country and into -- In other countries around the region as well okay of these kids though most have some kind of identification. Other person you know when they're finally collected by the US border patrolman on the Rachel I mean they have to have some kind of identification. Is that hoped that in the future of the is the parents of these kids may be called here. To take care of them I mean that's what a lot of Americans are concerned about right yeah now so there is. -- diversity to the people that are coming but actually the majority of kids are coming to America ready have relatives the United States so. What's really interesting actually is that we're not the only country in the region receiving this flood of an unaccompanied minors. From these from Honduras where else are they going. -- go to Mexico they're grown in Nicaragua I mean there are essentially fleeing. There. Flee the situation on the ground and what you say they're going to Mexico. But then with -- have said they're going to a country. Where its own people are trying to get in this country. That is true and -- -- some ways this sort of reflects the dire situation on the ground I think we like to think about all immigration to United States as economic migrants what are these people really trying to escape. There's actually an incredible amount of violence on the ground right now and in some degrees the government is unable to correct. I don't wanna go too far I think there is some ways a refugee situation here play. And this is actually what's leading to other complications before we can send them back we do you have to under US law goes through a process to assess whether or not. -- did you have it well founded fear of being sent back to their resume country. Other countries and taking them into it. Anywhere near the numbers that are coming into this country definitely not I think we have to keep in mind that -- the reason they are come into the country is because they have -- -- this country. Because there have individuals that can or should ideally be able to secure -- you review if they were to drive. And is it just plain easy to get into the country. I wouldn't say so I mean you know Cuba for these individuals. To pay the amount of money that they would have to -- he smugglers and you injure the kind of cost and trouble that they we have to go through I wouldn't say it's easy in and you know some of these costs are thousands of dollars and four. Individuals living very poor countries to be able to spend that much money. This is definitely -- a sign of desperation you know professor it'll almost seems like we were blind sided by all of these kids coming into this country. All of a sudden -- -- here. There heading into place to be process on in California and other states but this has to involve an incredible amount of planning. So it is into the -- -- part it's just that. There is some degrees it's truce and -- is not so it's certainly spiked. This year but actually the people there were reports about this increase since 2011 so it's always what's going on is it's sort of increased about fifty. 200% every year it's only this year that is really sort of got the numbers back up the national attention. But in some ways agencies are dealing with now they've been trying to get attention and the money did you win it since 2011 so we're just sort of late in the game.