News radio 930 WB he had. -- -- -- -- Hold to a no one ponds with an assault rifle no -- -- Yeah. -- -- -- -- If they are a bit extreme conservatives. They have no place in the State of New York. If you've got health -- already. Then you can keep your plan if you are satisfied with a. Wherever and whenever. I can take steps without legislation to expand opportunity for more American families that's what I'm gonna do. It happened to that Gary Cooper. To strong silent. That was an American. -- brilliant or ten million marks -- Sweetie and 930. I like you. You have -- I'd like bonus. Well maybe yeah earnings by a Ph.D. And John Sherman I'm just say in. You're at the bottom and the food chains if I were to you know accidentally. Kill you. I'm I'm thinking about maybe some kind of a it and negligent homicide. I can probably get three to four years to work on my Ph.D. behind prison walls so well. I wouldn't turn her back on -- John I'm just saying it. Would be great -- -- earned a doctor Tom Bauer I'm just I'm just putting out their job to sacrifice you have to make the team anyway today. It's up hourly and is ready at 930 WB and the only part of me that is likely to -- during the ratio. It's my ear. Which I. -- -- appear little red -- lab it an alias is going to be more true in 2014 of women than men. That idea I've grown by her long all right. Now things have noticed is if I don't blow it. That'll blow dryer after -- get a shower please let it dry naturally it -- like I have a -- Never used the threat is not ignore -- your hair supposed to change over the years. About it. Let me guess -- the only person that will this ever happened before ever right. -- that would definitely be consistent with everything else going out of my life I'd be the only person to have here it's ugly it's nice to go currently. When a lot of the dry naturally I believe it was a Ringo Starr is on dry naturally. It was act naturally but I guess the premise was pretty much the same anyway. Well. Used to pay to get -- now why bother. Now -- to have strike. Here anyway so many things are happening I really don't know -- to be yet now what are they topics that we kind of got into yesterday just a little bit. At an early kind of dwell on it. Because it was presidents' day I didn't want -- blog I want holiday. I just as soon wanted to keep him here for regular day it's a weapons term it's not a sexual term despite what people might that. On the idea that the state inmates. Could get college degrees. At taxpayer expense in prison. One. Number one number one number one if so he's doing life without parole I don't see the point in educating. Because they're going to be able to do anything with that degree anyway in the real world. Right wrong. Unless of course the prison guards and corrections officers that it's a good idea to keep people like that occupied because they have nothing to lose. I'd like to talk to -- corrections guard about that the figure out whether they think that's a good idea or not. Because ultimately they're the ones who basically have to live like prisoners. Eight hours a day. And the only difference is they get the -- the other sixteen hours -- day but they're basically stuck in prison eight hours every day. Dealing with with rights and some inmates like any other population of people some admit they're going to be OK you might become friends with some of the units. And some of the inmates are going to be just absolutely positively the dregs of society who just as soon Killian as look at. And I made the point yesterday that I think one of the problems we have in America in general is we are regard prison as a solution. Win really if it isn't. I believe in prison for those who have shown themselves unable or unwilling to play well with others. Those who. Obviously commit acts of violence against other people. Unwarranted acts of violence well sure you you got to have a place to keep them separate from the rest of society. People whose only victim is or would be themselves I have a lot more empathy. For those people. And I've certainly not some new concept that I just wheeled out of my brain that people with the chemical dependency issues were mental illness issues. I don't think the prison is a place. Necessarily. For those people. Now granted there are people who are. Mentally ill to the point of being a danger to other people. Am you'd like to think that hospitalization would do it but. The question is. If you hospitalized them and they get out of the hospital setting and he refused to take their beds and they become homicidal again who wants to bury kid because the system let you -- -- Well I don't -- So that you know again that becomes an issue and greater minds than mine if -- had to wrestle with that over the years. -- -- the the problem is just to give -- the probes are educating inmates first of all. What we put people in prison. We put people in prison so they can pay their debt to society. Do we expect everybody in prison is going to be either for the rest of their lives now we certainly hope not. That's why not everybody who goes to prison gets 25 years to life -- life without parole because we expect that. They are going to be out among the general population at some point. So if somebody is educated in prison. And here's were I would need the season studies. Because these things have been tried before. Is there evidence. Is there that that. Or with a T -- that would suggest. Brother conclusively. -- and educated inmate is less likely to end up back in prison as they rescinded this violator. If that is true I think it's worth looking at the idea. But. In fairness to the prison guards the corrections officers out there. I think that you also need to tie it somebody's ability to earn a degree behind bars. Two of their behavior whether or not in class. If it does anybody want to argue with. In other words I think you can actually use somebody's ability to earn a college degree in prison as a you can turn it into a tool. To make them a better inmate -- -- safe for inmate with whom the guards beat corrections officers are gonna have to deal. In other words may get the -- not the stick. If I beat it by itself what the guards if I don't throw my bodily fluids at them I get the finish my degree. If I decide that I'm gonna have a tantrum and taken out on the corrections officers I don't get my Gregory. I'll look not that most prisoners are known for long range thinking and planning it would be prisoners. But -- -- But here's more I have the problem. And it comes down to cost -- it comes down to you mr. and mrs. New York State taxpayers. Because I'll bet you anything that you got a kid in school. In college or you know somebody with a kid in college and other struggling right now. Because your friend or perhaps you would like to do so much more for the -- that you can't why. Because. An enormous amount of your income -- sucked up by the state before you even see it. By the New York State income tax and then after the state income taxes paid then you've got to use the remainder. In part to cover York property taxes your sales taxes your property transfer taxes in Erie county should you sell a piece of property and all of the other taxes and confiscation that take place in New York State. Why we have so many confiscation is because we tried to pay for too many people. That's why we have so much confiscation. So I said -- yesterday. And I I think this is an answer. That would satisfy I think some people know what you're never gonna convince some people that. Making sure were a prisoner. Is less likely to be a reservist is a good investment. There are some people were never gonna buy that and that's fine they're entitled to their opinion. And short of having data that would contradict that may very well may be right I don't know what the -- happened would be. On college educated inmates who earned her degree in prison and their likelihood of going back to prison. Within say five years of being released. My suspicion is it's a lot less but it's only suspicion is not based on any -- So. If you really wanna do that. I don't think New York State. And Governor -- all should it. -- any more burdens to the taxpayers. Of New York State and I made this point yesterday in -- you'll forgive the repetition rival. Bet if you wanna educate. Prison inmates. In New York State and get them & Associates degree or bachelor's degree. The money has to come from somewhere elsewhere is already being spent. And I strongly recommend. That the money that would be used to educate prison inmates column from a the illegal immigrants'. Who should be forced to pay out of state tuition rates to the New York colleges. Instead of state. Tuition rates. They now receipt and which by the way it was not put in the law by governor Mario Cuomo governor David Paterson or by the steamroller governor mr. shoes in -- actually has sex Eliot Spitzer. It was signed into law by George Pataki. A Republican. A rhino. That is what we're talking about. A Republican governor put that in the place not a Democrat. Not -- not Andrew Cuomo not Mario Cuomo but George attacking sign that in the law if Republicans. Which by the way is one of the reasons why when people ask me I refer to myself as a recovering Republican. It's one of the reasons why I say I can't buy in to the Republican Party which is why I believe in my own political theory. Which I actually stole from -- -- but it makes cents conservative Terry an -- kind of conservative kind of libertarian. Of the camp by and the conservatism fully because it puts me at odds with freedom. I can't buy at the libertarian. Fully because it puts me at odds with common cents. But when you merged -- those I think you've got a pretty good example of what a republic and what a thinking republic ought to be -- So I would go all. If the data is there. That -- college educated inmate is less likely to go back to prison to be a further burden on the taxpayer. FA you can proof. Bat bat in fact is the case that's key. Because other states other places have done this now this is not some new and novel idea. It's been done before. -- like the Barenaked Ladies talk it's all been done before and this is no exception. The question is is there a track record that demonstrably will prove to the taxpayers of New York's -- That an inmate who receives an associate or bachelor's degree while imprisoned. Is more likely to succeed in the outside world. And if there isn't that data will then don't know. If there is the data. I think it needs to be considered bought. The money's got to come from somewhere elsewhere it is already being spent. And I think the perfect solution is you take it away from the illegal immigrants you make them pay their full freight as out of state residents. And you apply those tuition dollars to the inmates. That way. The college students understand that when they sit -- those college classes and they hear about the distribution of wealth. And taxes and how important it is to contribute to the art collective that they'll know that they played a part in that. The illegal. Immigrant students who suddenly find themselves are paying for somebody else's education. They will be able to appreciate it. The theories. To which they're being exposed because they'll be taking part in it themselves I think it's a win win win personally as long as you can program. Approve it being. A college educated inmate has less chance at going back to prison as somebody who does not. By the but that you're gonna -- no judgment zone here folks just -- you know. I know people like to look at WB yen and talk show host like your humble host there is completely judgmental of everybody else. I can't speak for everybody else but I can speak for myself. I would love to hear from those of you who have been in the prison system. And I know that I'm really talking to a -- small percentage of my audience. But. I can't conceive. Of what it's like. I I for the life of -- -- you know what being confined. Being in an atmosphere. Where every move you make is monitored and watched regulated and recorded. I think that will be something that would drive anybody absolutely bat blank crazy. That. If you bit a part of that system. As an -- I would love your thoughts on Burris. Because believe it or not. While I always -- gonna have my first priority in terms of sympathy directed at the victims of violent criminals in particular. I think a lot of people -- inmates. Their biggest victim was themselves. Their biggest victim was bad mistakes they made that hurt themselves and not other people. You know there's a difference between Winston Moseley and some guy who you know got caught with. Fifty grams of cocaine big difference. Is that a lot of cocaine I don't if Seagram's. Anyway I was never good with a metric system unlike Brett in pulp fiction check out the big break. Now that the metrics just check out the big art it is. So if you prison. You're gonna that are no judgment zone you tell me only as much as you wanna -- OK but I wanna poll if you think from your experiences. That. Governor Cuomo is on the right track witness. -- if you are eight corrections guard. Wouldn't this make your job easier and I realize that. My role as a taxpayer is not to make your job as a corrections officer easier any more than it is to make a state trooper's job easier that's not my jobs at -- OK but on the other hand I don't wanna see you leaving work in a box. I don't. So your corrections guard I have to put your opinion about my opinion no matter what your opinion happens debate. Because you've got to help a lot more experience in prison that on. And I did spend one night in the local jail. It's west Seneca 1980s. Well it wasn't locked I'd put my car off the 400. And the cell was the only place -- can really laid down and relax. So it wasn't quite like I was locked up I was in the jail cell voluntarily because I want to get some sleep. So don't read anything into that 324. Although I felt like notoriety. Right he's good for the soul. Under his radio in my thirty WB I wanna hear from corrections guards a wanna hear our corrections officers I'm sorry I don't wanna hear from former inmates. Because I think -- opinions have got to come first honors. Because I've never been and a prison. I think -- kill myself before I went to prison. -- I just I couldn't do a really good. Under his radio in my thirty WB. Not one little Bob -- two -- the mood up in any party it's 333. At that news radio 930 WB. The end a fight between Bob Dylan and that Janis Ian a seventy in. It's amazing anybody survived the sixties and seventies you know. Paris that nobody. Thought the topics here any given day. If so what is open for. Talking about this -- inmates get college educations associates degrees in two -- degrees or bachelor's degree before year's honorees. When they are in prison when they're behind bars and I will become a different to specifically asked. Corrections officers who got to deal with inmates every day. As well it's people who were in this system. Try to start their lives over again if these are programs made any sense now before I came on the that I search. And I don't believe I mentioned that during the first part of the show but. I was trying to find evidence I was trying to find data I was trying to find studies. That would say and he. If they -- completes a bachelor's degree. The -- -- gays ten times less likely to be a reservist. But I couldn't find any of those countries and that surprised. So. That's a key walk looked -- here right. It's not like this is some new idea. It's not like Jack all all invented the concept of inmates being able to earn a degree behind bars. Now he maybe you first want to suggest that we have to pay for a but that's another story altogether I would expect nothing less from New York State. To remain as -- that there are two considerations. And I wish I could tell that their moral high ground considerations but really the bottom line considerations. Number one. It's a lot cheaper not to have somebody in prison then it is to have somebody in prison. So the question that is. Is there evidence to suggest. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. Well beyond reasonable -- That in inmate who receives an associates degree. Or a bachelor's degree while in prison today is less of a threat the corrections officers and B is less of a threat to him or herself. In terms of being a reservist. Because that's got to play a role in a decision -- -- right and as I've -- I can only -- witness. If they did away with another social program. -- -- I don't wanna see the bottom one for taxpayers in greens at all I wanna see it go down. And I think one of the ways you can do that. Is you make the illegal immigrants the people with the legal right at all to be in New York State you make them pay the estate rates. And use that money to fund the program for it's that way. The student at a very early age understands. The complexities. And the importance of paying taxes and what instead -- money. Re distribute it to somebody less fortunate than it'll. I don't think there's anybody less fortunate than somebody in prison that would -- I know a lot of people deserve to be in prison you're not gonna get any argue the call for -- In particular violent criminals people who. Exercised the least discretion people who commit the most heinous acts of violence against the most innocent victims of deserved to be imprisoned what else -- development. But a lot of inmates. Basically either they're because they did some real bone headed things and the only person that really hurt was themselves. Which really kind of -- -- let's go to Iraq can who has a former inmate he says WBM hey I can I'm glad you called -- a longer stretch did you do. Go on and great. And tell us about were there any educational opportunities available for you as an inmate. Well what I have to know on the -- -- drug -- program down their arms because I want to drugs and drug addict. And the Vietnam it was more initially the wings are so -- -- school back but it didn't. Programs in order -- school diploma and and can call in Atlanta with no college offerings. And was kind of a carrot and a stick approach if you were able to are getting into and stay with the substance abuse program in prison. 00. In addition. In addition to that I guess what I'm asking is that people like yourself actually. Did it make you a better less dangerous inmate because you had something to lose by screwing it up. Or -- -- Leah what to think what I took it like everybody else that it Hurst it's for the extra time off then then. I want to look at what your program. I ended up fighting nobody stopped it really help beyond excellent suburban home prison in 2009. -- have been in touch with your little rug anymore so -- I did find a lot of things are really really helpful. So when that when it comes to getting a job and you know I. Unfortunately look people make mistakes people end up in prison not everybody goes to prison ends up with a life term you -- 33 months. And at some point you're gonna get out of prison and you've got to get yourself back in your own two feet you've got to get yourself a job. Tell tell us what it's like. Being out of the joint. And trying to try to find somebody who's willing to give a former inmate a shot in a chance. I -- blast. I actually the person that would obviously went to prison on the day that I got out I was course -- of a bricklayer. That I had a job where -- only wanna keep. But a lot of people that was -- actually costly and as you -- you six months and perhaps what else. And in this country in the popular doubt a lot of people probably fiscal. Like I was but I walked into the job calm nobody that I can present. What is -- that the overall for a lot of the guys. Well. I I can imagine because let's face it everybody's worried about liability everybody's worried about their own asses and and I can't really blame people the top ten automatic because I'm I'm -- -- be a very interesting person with whom bespeaks -- vocal when he worked. We've got traffic issues and I knew this was gonna be a problem they were all over at WBN's Allan heresy in traffic commander Alan. And it sounds like -- might have fallen victim to the cold that has gone through the radio station alone now all. By the way if you didn't see any major traffic issues you be sure to give us -- call WB and traffic command 80303218030321. That's worked. Major situations only going to be cloudy and breezy tonight on the 27 temperatures are gonna go up late and -- again just so you know. We are looking out for the southwest winds gusting to 35 miles an hour. And they will be impacting the area through this afternoon so be careful for your drive home. We're still looking out for that warming trend in the flood watch for Thursday but I don't worry about that too much because it's only Tuesday now. Plenty of time for you to have your -- move the crap up from the basement because you know your basements -- flood anyway especially that one area west Seneca right now we have Joey. 27 degrees news radio 930 WB let me get back to elect can in had a -- And that -- we're talking about the fact that you actually had a job waiting four years after you did that your stretch almost three years in the federal prison down Pennsylvania. But a lot of the people with whom you were in prison had a hell all the time. Getting back into civilian life. Because -- somebody knows that you did time suddenly you become my help a lot less attractive as an employable. Candidate. -- Serb that's for a -- were -- can talk about talks in the tallest person that. I hate it more money should be couldn't -- drug rehabilitation. And because it seems like most of the people that I was imprisoned with whether or should go so they're gonna they're gonna go to prison if you don't it can go. The drug programs. They're going to be back because -- with at least eat what I want to put their drugs. You know clippers and because can't have a theory and I don't know if you wanna hear this but my theory is. That we ought to be spending and by the way if this theory for a long time so what I consider just what can be spared the sarcoma FaceBook page. By my theory is we as a society. For many many years have not appropriated our resources. Wisely first of all. We need to have better programs for people who were genuinely mentally ill. And their families number one number two is my contention that the reason we have a drug problem in America. Is because we have a mental illness problem in America and a lot of people -- self. Medicating. With street drugs and they end up doing time when all they really needed at the beginning with some mental health treatment. And we do things -- such idiots in the United States it boggles my mind now when you were in prison were you there because you were dealing or because Georgia's use. I wouldn't want to admit that you get it. OK we talk and I Coke heroin. Are actually see academy. Match who got you so obviously some really nasty stuff. Yeah it was an island -- -- -- amendment. And on the border. How much salt and -- old. -- didn't you know I like that before without Taiwan about in my life what we do get caught because you know it's an after the I wouldn't have been canceled this comedy it would hurt somebody myself. You know and -- -- on the line. So I was content then the ability that they do need to get our program. I could never ordered to go to law a place on the outs tightly as he went to insurance. -- -- -- like on the -- not a good -- as well. I presume to forgive my interruption but I presume that that your union has a pretty good health plan in my correct. Well I'm not okay united I would probably an option that you would you do have a health plan at work. No you don't -- play network nor -- I worked small independent contractor. Okay well I -- -- Jeff find that very very interesting because you're right I mean did mental health treatment and drug rehabilitation treatment. Are expensive it happens are a lot less expensive than incarceration. But. Again that I mentioned I think we do things back passwords in America. -- -- I do you will electorate so I I am grateful for the opportunities mr. And you know what welcome back to human souls Cuban didn't really know because our small ones. That it -- -- at the time off and I think ninety some of the important people in unison toward the water -- and I didn't return the record you know. And you know in. It certainly would sides it is not a big stage like you so -- don't regret it was in their little ones that are go to the -- -- Well you know it's kind of interesting because. I heard on the Sean Hannity show last week you had somebody on who was in a similar situation actually got it was a professor so open. And he refers to the day of his arrest as the best day of his life because without that arrest he would have ended up dead or. And use you put it selling to somebody and possibly killing somebody by poison they would sold himself. From you know when somebody says it's the best -- of their life I think that's a really good indication that. You've you've turned that corner and I'm I'm really happy weekend and Tom. You'd hear it very well may have been. You know better than I've what what's -- All you. As -- -- very stakeholders in immigration would constitute a little rest and I. A lot of people look back and not -- bad to say about people I have not but I can say about this great shot. And like I stated I have been doing that I have been under that would have been trouble all. It has -- it was a good situation the past all of that situation. -- cannot continue its access to men and it really congratulations. You bet and as I said that's a no judgments on bigger army -- Yeah if you don't think you're gonna be the first prison inmate with whom I've ever spoken because I've spoken with a lot. And and by the way. A not to wouldn't get a break your average got traffic situations already -- more of this afternoon and that the drive time hasn't even really started. 00347. At W media. It is a 353. In -- news radio 930 WB yeah. All right well the concept -- inmates and education kind of socket so will level on that coming up in the next hour on WB Ian photo or have got I've got what. Including this -- This is actually what has been on fire unlike FaceBook page today. Are you sick of winter. Is it to watch. Are you waving the white flag. For a winter yet. I am. I refused a snowball anymore I'm -- I don't care what eight inches and up in the driveway. And have a real hard time snow blow. Now it is the first couple snowstorms of the year are can't wait to get -- mentally snowblower. Right about now I don't care for ever see the damn thing yet. I pity those -- you -- dogs. Because. There will come a day of reckoning. Forty cheese. You've had this winter as your dogs have taken better use. All over your back law. There will come a day around. March April. -- you're gonna put on that market. And then one of those cold and spring rain storms. You'll have that small shovel. And that plastic bag. And you will be doing the clean up duty for the dog -- Judy. So. I don't envy you -- Not to mention of course the not -- cold spring dog smell. -- of dogs. How we've elected dogs out or should do you know when it rains. It's what it's got to moist out with the springtime you're all comes at it it's got that certain smell to what that dog smell. Your use -- you can brace yourself for the dogs smell not to be confused with what usually happens later a lot of disparate. Which is as we always call it here on the buy -- show the bad day for worms that day where you get up in the morning after heavy rainstorm. You look on the sidewalk. And your entire property. Anything that is paid is covered with worms all it's a great day for -- it's a really bad day for worms so those days are public. Once we get service. Is a winner driving or just a little bit better than anybody. We have had it is it. In past years. This year we're paying the piper. And the pipers collecting dead that would interest. Was going to be this. You knew we were gonna -- another one right. Are 803 element there. Is the former. On news radio 930 WBM. And -- in the traffic mayhem -- bad situations on a mass scale. 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