As we observe them five years since the crash of continental connection flight 3407. And Clarence -- let's talk now about improvements in flight safety. Our guest on the live line as Mary Schiavo Mary is an attorney and aviation expert and we've talked to marry him many times since the crash five years ago. Mary good morning and thanks again for joining us. You know we're hearing that there's now a pilot shortage. Affecting mostly smaller regional airlines since these new pilot and flight our regulations have been put them deploys in the after -- of them. The crash of flight thirty for a seven. How it is possible how we're gonna attract qualified pilots now. What the problems started even before the problem is that the salaries for the entry level jobs had something that's low levels that the at this for the folks who were call. On the up colgan crash. The pilots' salaries at least one of around 181000 and that pilot in command was much higher but. People have begun leaving the flight training -- flight schools were seeing enrollment drop either in the war based on salaries. And -- I don't correlate the lack of interest in pilot jobs to this new training requirement. Because they would be starting on the front in any way anyone who wants it I have to fairly training requirement to work out. It's that the problem is the cost to the airlines and what they're willing to pay and so I think there. Many problems with the shortage of pilots through there it's somebody that -- -- -- additional training and years gone by it was always the airline. Mary what in your opinion is the most significant safety change that's been made. Since the crash of thirty for a seven. That's sleep deprivation. It investigation. In this small but important changes that have come out because. Pilot. That -- pilot and the act -- and on the colgan flight -- those sleep deprived. You know even when I was in the Department of Transportation inspector general and yet -- and the FAA would look at sleep deprivation that they would never do anything. And the NTSB had begged them for not just years a couple decades the please revisit sleep deprivation rules. And they did -- require a little bit more sleep but it brought that to the attention of the world once again. And and show that you just cannot do look very important job and it was once said he had important headlines -- discovered that sleep deprivation. Is as bad as or works. And being dropped and that was important for the world to realize pilots have to go to -- Mary where does a person who wants to be a pilot goal to get trained about the height of the controversy after the crash of thirty for a seven. We -- -- some pilots especially the colgan pilots. Were being trained in storefronts. That's right I'm afraid have -- have to give a bystander here because I was an aviation professor at a very large state university. For five years at the same university where I trained I got you know I think you did very good training at school to have strict standards. And and they want people out this very topic it's expensive -- a lot of people have to go to those students have to go to these less expensive storefronts maybe not quite as exacting as. And there are many large and very good program. But they have to go the got a program because it's just expensive to get the country that you want and then sometimes people do that because she did do it part time. At major really you -- top flight bad putt top flight school. It's kind of -- the part time you have to -- though because it's giving it. And it out but if you do that really good training it will leave you with about two -- 50000 pitcher through about balancing act like going to most expensive college -- states. Mary of the changes that we're talking about this morning. A lot of this do you think is the result of some intense lobbying by the families of these victims. Oh without a doubt. It in my court and the department I would see. And it was it was you know very to -- very into this thing. That -- government officials expected the FAA actually terrified of the families. And then they would come to Washington and they little lobby congress and they would literally mark on the FAA building. And I can remember one situation in particular that that Japan wild creek. The families came to the department and the secretary that I am and tomorrow morning meeting we had that the -- They've made. Personnel at the department have morning meat and secretary of -- And this person was absolutely terrifying hearing is scheduled but he did manage to get it out of the building without confronting the family and I thought to myself my goodness these are just. You know this families who had a horrible loss but I realized they have a very important message and they are very powerful because that's how we legislate United States. We legislate a one disaster at a time and that's what it takes an assailant is so much of the credit you know you their heartbreak they've helped other. Mary good to talk when you think your time this morning we're very grateful. Thank you I writer Mary Schiavo is an attorney and an aviation expert.